As far as extremism, I never got a strait answer of just what is the "desired condition" all LMPR alternatives are rated in the order they move use towards it? As I remember Alternative 6 rated #1 in contrast to Alternative 5 rated #6 or worst, 4A which was selected rated #3 just behind Alternative 3 which offered the most recommended wilderness. It just makes me wonder just how extreme this "desired condition" is, and is it's determination a result of science or some kind of new religious believe?
To those who consider the "desired condition" returning the Forest to a pre European state, I ask you how did you pick the year 1491, why not 3,000,000 B.C or somewhere in between? I personally don't think there's much science involved in picking arbitrary years to roll the clock back to, I feel much of this is just culture war discrimination. In the case of OHV users much of what they face is just pure dislike, or even discrimination from other user groups who do their own damage, they just don't feel theirs matters as much. Not to say there is no problem, but just to say spend more on Law Enforcement misses the big picture, there is just not enough legal OHV opportunity, anyone who state otherwise is ether naive or just hates OHV users.
I don't say just let them ride anywhere but at least acknowledge reality, the sport grows each year in terms of users but faces reduction of legal opportunity every year. If the problem is lack of opportunity than diverting more money for Law Enforcement, would only aggravate the problem and serve no one other than a few (I hope) people that just hate OHV users. As far as Green Sticker dollars I only support spending it on Law Enforcement issues directly related to LEGAL OHV Opportunity, to do otherwise would just be irresponsible land management. We must make this stand to ovoid the slippery slope we already started down from getting worse, it's not that we are not responsible people but in fact the opposite as doing what's right is not always popular.
Tom...
The above was something I said during a land use debate on the SBNF, personally I don't have any problem with responsible land management but what is this fund for? I personally don't have any problem with Wilderness areas, but does that mean we can't have any OHV areas? If we could somehow work together we could have both, believe it or not us and the "greens" as we call them have the same problem. Which is we are running out of land as the population increases, the amount of land eligible for both Wilderness and OHV use decreases, the clock is ticking as both sides just undermine each others efforts. SB742 is just one part of their agenda and looking at the numbers is probably already moot, we already have effectively been DE funded.
It is my believe that the "green" still 4-3 Commission is paying us back, they our showing us the dispute the efforts to box them in, IE the scoring system they can still do whatever they want. Spitler has scripted the whole meeting, one the got by him was Goldrock outdoor schools, because of the "Y*" and "Y**" consent calendar deal even he didn't know it was going to be heard. Therefor he had no script on hand to counter it, being the numbers game this has become he just let it go, do to triage and time con-strengths. This is where our Governor really hurt us, Prizmich got reappointed in favor of Ed Waldheim, I'm certain Daphne Greene being the Governors appointee had at least some input on this. Prizmich was on tract with "the system" and ED while trying to work with it, clearly didn't like it, the Governors office is watching the program but is clearly having it's information filtered though Daphne, his appointee.
Don't get me wrong Prizmich is not a bad guy, I actually like him as a person and he is fair most of the time however, when Spitler needs the 4th vote for some key issue Prizmich is right there with him. I call this whole mess the Paul and Daphne show, she has actually not done a bad job of underhandedly trying to undermine his agenda, but she has failed. I supported the system and her at one time for this reason, but look at the numbers they got around it so in the end it failed. Don't get me wrong she works her tail off, but it would be so nice if Division could just administrate the grants, and we had a functioning Commission that we could trust to allocate the funds.
I'm calling on the Governor and Senate President pro Tem Don Perata to end this mess, how well get rid of both Commissioner Paul Spitiler and Deputy Director Daphne Greene. They are not employees they are political appointee's, this is politics and it needs to be dealt with at this level, then we flush ab 2274, ab 2666 and ab 2520. Perata can later appoint a moderate replacement for Spitler and the Division Chief can take over as Deputy Director, I hear he goes with her everywhere so why can't he just take over. If he didn't have to deal with Spitler and just administrate the grants, it's really not that hard of a job, I'm sick of hearing the words "well Phil and Daphne are gone" I can't do anything till they get back. Didn't they ever hear of delegation? do they both have to go everywhere together? one should stay and manage, call the other by cell phone and why don't all the auditors pick up on this?
These two men have the power to end this mess, they need to hear from you...TJ
SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEM DON PERATA,
Senator.Perata@sen.ca.gov
Govenor Arnold Schwarzenegger,
governor@govmail.ca.gov
and it was quite empowering to have an anonymous voice that everyone would discuss for weeks after it was published! Not saying that TJ and PH are on the same level, just noting that I can relate to the need for PH. 
