FUEL TAX STUDY NOW AVAILABLE
The California State Parks – Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Division Fuel Tax Study is now available. For a PDF of the study, please click below. For a copy of the report on CD, please contact OHV Information ohvinfo@parks.ca.gov or call (916) 324-4442
http://www.ohv.parks.ca.gov/pages/1140/ ... 0-06_2.pdf
http://www.ohv.parks.ca.gov/pages/1140/ ... report.pdf
FUEL TAX STUDY NOW AVAILABLE
Moderator: Sitewide Forum Moderators
-
tomjeeps2
- 5th Gear "Pinned" Member
- Posts: 795
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Outer Rim Territory's, Wild Space
- Contact:
FUEL TAX STUDY NOW AVAILABLE
The Country is ran by the few that show up.
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
-
Jerry Seaver
- ASA Co-Founder • Past President
- Posts: 962
- Joined: Wed Nov 08, 2000 4:48 pm
- Please enter the middle number: 5
- Location: USA
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION
News Release
For energy efficient recreation
California State Parks on the internet: http://www.parks.ca.gov
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 20, 2006
Contact: Roy Stearns
(916) 654-7538
(916) 799-1036
Off-Highway Fuel Tax Study Released
Findings Inconsistent with Growth of OHV
Recreation and Need for Funding
SACRAMENTO – California State Parks today released the State Fuel Tax Study and
announced that further evaluation will be necessary because of the report’s statistically
questionable results. Despite the best efforts of researchers, with a nearly 17 point margin of
error, the study contradicts the actual growth and funding needs of off-highway vehicle trends in
California. While OHV recreation has grown by more than 112 percent since 2001, the survey
suggests that funding should be cut by more than 50 percent.
Daphne Greene, Deputy Director of the State Parks’ Off-Highway Motor Vehicle
Recreation (OHMVR) Division said, “The data suggests we cut the program funding by more
than half at a time when off-highway vehicle recreation is growing significantly. To do such a
thing would be irresponsible and does not make sense to us. We think a closer examination of
this report and how we fund the program is needed before we take any action.â€
The survey is supposed to be used to determine the level of funding for a major portion
of the Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Program throughout California. In addition to
support for the state’s OHV parks, monies are used for environmental restoration and law
enforcement. Because of the contradictory results, State Parks will continue to review and
evaluate the survey as we move forward.
“In addition to our State OHV parks, we also provide grants to local and federal agencies
to support off-highway vehicle opportunities, education and environmental protection,
restoration and law enforcement throughout the State,†added Greene, “and reducing funding
would cut those efforts and that is not acceptable because the demand will not go away and is,
in fact, increasing.â€
The findings in the study suggest the fuel tax funding of the program could be reduced
from $56.8 million to $27.1 million, a reduction of more than $29.7 million. With the findings
inconsistent with the growth of the program, State Parks has concluded that a comprehensive
evaluation of the basic methodology for how the program is funded in the first place must be
undertaken.
Present day evidence of continued and explosive growth in the industry strongly
suggests that the funding reductions presented in the latest survey will not work to sustain a
viable OHV program at all need levels. For instance, annual off-highway vehicle registrations
for non-street licensed vehicles have increased as follows:
• Annual registration for all Non-Street-Licensed Vehicles has gone from 479,178 in 2001
to 1,013,863 in 2006, an increase of 112 percent. (Includes dirt bikes, ATVs, dune
buggies, sand rails and miscellaneous vehicles, and snowmobiles.)
• Going back further, from 1980 to 2006, total Non-Street-Licensed Vehicle Registrations
have increased 331 percent.
• Visitation at the State Vehicle Recreational Areas has gone from 2.3 million in 2001 to
5.4 million in 2005, an increase of 135 percent.
When one considers the above data and the demand level for the State Vehicular
Recreation Areas and grant assistance for local, state and federal stakeholders for
management of the recreational uses on public lands, one must ask if it makes sense to
implement the survey and cut the funding to all concerned by more than 50 percent. The above
data strongly suggests the premise for how the program was funded from the beginning is
flawed and requires review. With the newest survey data, it is clear a continuation of the status
quo would not keep pace with the significant growth in off-highway recreation demand and
seriously differs from stakeholders’ needs and expectations across the state.
Based on the new data and present recreational realities throughout the California, the
OHMVR Division of State Parks believes the only prudent course of action at present is to call
for a “time out†to begin an open and public process of examining the very premise of how this
program is funded.
In the coming weeks and months, the OHMVR Division will be talking to all stakeholder
groups and to elected officials to examine what courses of action should be taken. The goal will
be to not act in haste, but rather, step back and begin a process of broadly examining how best
to continue the funding of a program that was mandated through legislation in 1971 to meet the
growing demand for well managed off-highway recreation balanced with environmental
protection associated with off-highway use.
The survey -- Estimating the State Fuel Tax Paid on Gasoline Used in the Off-Highway
Operation of Vehicles for Recreation – was prepared for California State Parks by a research
team led by Louis Browning, ICF International, San Francisco. The information on fuel use and
off-highway recreational activity was obtained from telephone surveys of 15,000 randomly
selected California households from July to December 2003 and written diaries kept by
California vehicle owners from April 2004 to March 2005.
########
News Release
For energy efficient recreation
California State Parks on the internet: http://www.parks.ca.gov
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 20, 2006
Contact: Roy Stearns
(916) 654-7538
(916) 799-1036
Off-Highway Fuel Tax Study Released
Findings Inconsistent with Growth of OHV
Recreation and Need for Funding
SACRAMENTO – California State Parks today released the State Fuel Tax Study and
announced that further evaluation will be necessary because of the report’s statistically
questionable results. Despite the best efforts of researchers, with a nearly 17 point margin of
error, the study contradicts the actual growth and funding needs of off-highway vehicle trends in
California. While OHV recreation has grown by more than 112 percent since 2001, the survey
suggests that funding should be cut by more than 50 percent.
Daphne Greene, Deputy Director of the State Parks’ Off-Highway Motor Vehicle
Recreation (OHMVR) Division said, “The data suggests we cut the program funding by more
than half at a time when off-highway vehicle recreation is growing significantly. To do such a
thing would be irresponsible and does not make sense to us. We think a closer examination of
this report and how we fund the program is needed before we take any action.â€
The survey is supposed to be used to determine the level of funding for a major portion
of the Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Program throughout California. In addition to
support for the state’s OHV parks, monies are used for environmental restoration and law
enforcement. Because of the contradictory results, State Parks will continue to review and
evaluate the survey as we move forward.
“In addition to our State OHV parks, we also provide grants to local and federal agencies
to support off-highway vehicle opportunities, education and environmental protection,
restoration and law enforcement throughout the State,†added Greene, “and reducing funding
would cut those efforts and that is not acceptable because the demand will not go away and is,
in fact, increasing.â€
The findings in the study suggest the fuel tax funding of the program could be reduced
from $56.8 million to $27.1 million, a reduction of more than $29.7 million. With the findings
inconsistent with the growth of the program, State Parks has concluded that a comprehensive
evaluation of the basic methodology for how the program is funded in the first place must be
undertaken.
Present day evidence of continued and explosive growth in the industry strongly
suggests that the funding reductions presented in the latest survey will not work to sustain a
viable OHV program at all need levels. For instance, annual off-highway vehicle registrations
for non-street licensed vehicles have increased as follows:
• Annual registration for all Non-Street-Licensed Vehicles has gone from 479,178 in 2001
to 1,013,863 in 2006, an increase of 112 percent. (Includes dirt bikes, ATVs, dune
buggies, sand rails and miscellaneous vehicles, and snowmobiles.)
• Going back further, from 1980 to 2006, total Non-Street-Licensed Vehicle Registrations
have increased 331 percent.
• Visitation at the State Vehicle Recreational Areas has gone from 2.3 million in 2001 to
5.4 million in 2005, an increase of 135 percent.
When one considers the above data and the demand level for the State Vehicular
Recreation Areas and grant assistance for local, state and federal stakeholders for
management of the recreational uses on public lands, one must ask if it makes sense to
implement the survey and cut the funding to all concerned by more than 50 percent. The above
data strongly suggests the premise for how the program was funded from the beginning is
flawed and requires review. With the newest survey data, it is clear a continuation of the status
quo would not keep pace with the significant growth in off-highway recreation demand and
seriously differs from stakeholders’ needs and expectations across the state.
Based on the new data and present recreational realities throughout the California, the
OHMVR Division of State Parks believes the only prudent course of action at present is to call
for a “time out†to begin an open and public process of examining the very premise of how this
program is funded.
In the coming weeks and months, the OHMVR Division will be talking to all stakeholder
groups and to elected officials to examine what courses of action should be taken. The goal will
be to not act in haste, but rather, step back and begin a process of broadly examining how best
to continue the funding of a program that was mandated through legislation in 1971 to meet the
growing demand for well managed off-highway recreation balanced with environmental
protection associated with off-highway use.
The survey -- Estimating the State Fuel Tax Paid on Gasoline Used in the Off-Highway
Operation of Vehicles for Recreation – was prepared for California State Parks by a research
team led by Louis Browning, ICF International, San Francisco. The information on fuel use and
off-highway recreational activity was obtained from telephone surveys of 15,000 randomly
selected California households from July to December 2003 and written diaries kept by
California vehicle owners from April 2004 to March 2005.
########
-
LoBuck
- Moderator
- Posts: 6786
- Joined: Sun Jun 30, 2002 12:48 am
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Yuma, AZ
- Contact:
Hmm. Let me see. Seems to me if they would disperse 100% (or even close to it) of the funds instead of holding hostage the dollars they do for restoration, a cut of 50% might be wash. That might even mean more money being distributed than ever before.
The OHMVR Commission is not a investment bank. Those funds should be fully dispersed for OHV related projects, not just sit there.
Glenn Montgomery - KE7BTP
'79 CJ5
http://www.YumaDuners.com - LoBuck's Web Page
DAC ISDRA Sub Group Member - AZ OHV Rep BLM ISDRA DSG webpage
'79 CJ5
http://www.YumaDuners.com - LoBuck's Web Page
DAC ISDRA Sub Group Member - AZ OHV Rep BLM ISDRA DSG webpage
-
tomjeeps2
- 5th Gear "Pinned" Member
- Posts: 795
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Outer Rim Territory's, Wild Space
- Contact:
OK folks, below is what we are dealing with as far as the law and how the funds get spread out, there is going to be over $2.5 Million left on the table under restoration. We should now ask why can't this be moved to the other funding buckets? TJ
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CALIFORNIA CODES
PUBLIC RESOURCES CODE
SECTION 5090.60-5090.65
5090.60. The fund consists of deposits from the following sources:
(a) Revenues transferred from the Motor Vehicle Fuel Account in
the Transportation Tax Fund.
(b) Fees paid pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 38225 of the
Vehicle Code.
(c) Unexpended service fees.
(d) Fees and other proceeds collected at state vehicular
recreation areas, as provided in subdivision (c) of Section 5010.
(e) Reimbursements.
(f) Revenues and income from any other source required by law to
be deposited in the fund.
5090.61. Money in the fund shall be available, upon appropriation
by the Legislature, for allocation by the commission as follows:
(a) An amount, not to exceed 50 percent of the revenues from the
special fee required by subdivision (b) of Section 38225 of the
Vehicle Code, the revenues transferred from the Motor Vehicle Fuel
Account, and revenue received from interest, is available for local
assistance grants or cooperative agreements pursuant to Article 5
(commencing with Section 5090.50).
(b) The remainder of the revenues from the special fee required by
subdivision (b) of Section 38225 of the Vehicle Code and the
remainder of the revenues transferred from the Motor Vehicle Fuel
Account, together with all other moneys in the fund, shall be
available for the support of the division in implementing the program
and for the planning, acquisition, development, construction,
maintenance, administration, operation, and conservation of lands in
the system. As used in this subdivision, "support of the division"
includes functions performed outside the division by others on behalf
of the division, including costs incurred on behalf of the division
for personnel management and training, accounting and fiscal
analysis, records, purchasing, public information activities,
consultation of professional scientists and reclamation experts for
purposes of Section 5090.35, and legal services.
"Support of the division" does not include any costs incurred by,
or attributable to, the director or the director's immediate staff or
their salaries.
5090.63. This article shall become operative on July 1, 1983.
5090.64. (a) Thirty percent of the funds allocated pursuant to
Section 8352.8 of the Revenue and Taxation Code shall be expended
solely for restoration activities, as defined in Section 5090.11.
(b) Seventy percent of the funds allocated pursuant to Section
8352.8 of the Revenue and Taxation Code shall be expended solely for
the following activities related to the use of off-highway motor
vehicles:
(1) Conservation activities carried out for the prevention or
reduction of soil loss, wildlife loss, and habitat loss as described
in Sections 5090.10, 5090.35, 5090.50, and 5090.53.
(2) Enforcement activities consisting of employing, equipping, and
supervising law enforcement personnel for the purpose of protecting
natural and cultural resources, enforcement of Division 16.5
(commencing with Section 38000) of the Vehicle Code, enforcement of
Sections 4442 and 4442.5 of this code, and enforcement of other laws
regulating the equipment and use of off-highway motor vehicles.
(3) The construction of physical barriers and other means of
traffic control regulating the use of off-highway motor vehicles.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CALIFORNIA CODES
PUBLIC RESOURCES CODE
SECTION 5090.60-5090.65
5090.60. The fund consists of deposits from the following sources:
(a) Revenues transferred from the Motor Vehicle Fuel Account in
the Transportation Tax Fund.
(b) Fees paid pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 38225 of the
Vehicle Code.
(c) Unexpended service fees.
(d) Fees and other proceeds collected at state vehicular
recreation areas, as provided in subdivision (c) of Section 5010.
(e) Reimbursements.
(f) Revenues and income from any other source required by law to
be deposited in the fund.
5090.61. Money in the fund shall be available, upon appropriation
by the Legislature, for allocation by the commission as follows:
(a) An amount, not to exceed 50 percent of the revenues from the
special fee required by subdivision (b) of Section 38225 of the
Vehicle Code, the revenues transferred from the Motor Vehicle Fuel
Account, and revenue received from interest, is available for local
assistance grants or cooperative agreements pursuant to Article 5
(commencing with Section 5090.50).
(b) The remainder of the revenues from the special fee required by
subdivision (b) of Section 38225 of the Vehicle Code and the
remainder of the revenues transferred from the Motor Vehicle Fuel
Account, together with all other moneys in the fund, shall be
available for the support of the division in implementing the program
and for the planning, acquisition, development, construction,
maintenance, administration, operation, and conservation of lands in
the system. As used in this subdivision, "support of the division"
includes functions performed outside the division by others on behalf
of the division, including costs incurred on behalf of the division
for personnel management and training, accounting and fiscal
analysis, records, purchasing, public information activities,
consultation of professional scientists and reclamation experts for
purposes of Section 5090.35, and legal services.
"Support of the division" does not include any costs incurred by,
or attributable to, the director or the director's immediate staff or
their salaries.
5090.63. This article shall become operative on July 1, 1983.
5090.64. (a) Thirty percent of the funds allocated pursuant to
Section 8352.8 of the Revenue and Taxation Code shall be expended
solely for restoration activities, as defined in Section 5090.11.
(b) Seventy percent of the funds allocated pursuant to Section
8352.8 of the Revenue and Taxation Code shall be expended solely for
the following activities related to the use of off-highway motor
vehicles:
(1) Conservation activities carried out for the prevention or
reduction of soil loss, wildlife loss, and habitat loss as described
in Sections 5090.10, 5090.35, 5090.50, and 5090.53.
(2) Enforcement activities consisting of employing, equipping, and
supervising law enforcement personnel for the purpose of protecting
natural and cultural resources, enforcement of Division 16.5
(commencing with Section 38000) of the Vehicle Code, enforcement of
Sections 4442 and 4442.5 of this code, and enforcement of other laws
regulating the equipment and use of off-highway motor vehicles.
(3) The construction of physical barriers and other means of
traffic control regulating the use of off-highway motor vehicles.
The Country is ran by the few that show up.
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
-
tomjeeps2
- 5th Gear "Pinned" Member
- Posts: 795
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Outer Rim Territory's, Wild Space
- Contact:
crash I must agree, the only good news is the unregistered vehicle ratio is much more realistic, down to .62 to 1 from the past 5.9 to 1 which is a whooping 951% difference which they admit they can't account for. So what would be a fantastic compromise in my opinion, double both numbers, turn the 27 million back into 56 Million and figure the unregistered vehicle ratio at 1.24 to 1. Hey we could even agree the double that number again and figure 2.48 to 1 and we still come out twice as good.
Gee this is just too easy, think are law makers will go for it hick it's better than flipping a coin. We need some kind of emergency legislation to meet the needs of the program, so this is what I'm putting on the table...TJ
Gee this is just too easy, think are law makers will go for it hick it's better than flipping a coin. We need some kind of emergency legislation to meet the needs of the program, so this is what I'm putting on the table...TJ
The Country is ran by the few that show up.
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
-
Brewster
- 3rd Gear Member
- Posts: 74
- Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:33 pm
- Please enter the middle number: 5
- Location: California
What some folks are missing is that the unregistered bikes in the survey are supposedly being operated off-highway. Having them sitting in a garage or shipped out of state doesn't count. From figures taken from the 2005-2006 OHV grants requests, the percentage of bikes that are being operated off-highway is less than 3%, or a ratio of .03 to 1. Those are the only ones that are using fuel.
Keep informed and active
Ride on
Brewster
CERA...assistant LAO
Keep informed and active
Ride on
Brewster
CERA...assistant LAO
-
LoBuck
- Moderator
- Posts: 6786
- Joined: Sun Jun 30, 2002 12:48 am
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Yuma, AZ
- Contact:
Welcome to the board Brewster. 
and that you are their assistant Legistlative Affairs Officer.
How did I do? Even if I'm wrong it sounds like you've got some good input for the forum. Keep it coming.
I'm going to make an assumption that CERA is the California Enduro Riders Association,CERA...assistant LAO
and that you are their assistant Legistlative Affairs Officer.
How did I do? Even if I'm wrong it sounds like you've got some good input for the forum. Keep it coming.
Glenn Montgomery - KE7BTP
'79 CJ5
http://www.YumaDuners.com - LoBuck's Web Page
DAC ISDRA Sub Group Member - AZ OHV Rep BLM ISDRA DSG webpage
'79 CJ5
http://www.YumaDuners.com - LoBuck's Web Page
DAC ISDRA Sub Group Member - AZ OHV Rep BLM ISDRA DSG webpage
-
tomjeeps2
- 5th Gear "Pinned" Member
- Posts: 795
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Outer Rim Territory's, Wild Space
- Contact:
Problem to deal with (1) how not to be held hostage to these admittedly bogus numbers!
(2) how to accomplish item (1) without loosing half of the total fuel tax funds!
What kind of emergency legislation do we need to accomplish this...TJ
(2) how to accomplish item (1) without loosing half of the total fuel tax funds!
What kind of emergency legislation do we need to accomplish this...TJ
The Country is ran by the few that show up.
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
-
tomjeeps2
- 5th Gear "Pinned" Member
- Posts: 795
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Outer Rim Territory's, Wild Space
- Contact:
FUTURE COMMISSION DATES
SPECIAL MEETING!
January 12, 2007
1:00 PM - 4:00 PM
The Fuel Tax Study: Estimating the State Fuel Tax Paid on Gasoline Used in the Off-Highway Operation of Vehicles for Recreation.
The OHMVR Division and its contractor will present a briefing to the OHMVR Commission.
Red Lion Hotel
1401 Arden Way
Sacramento, 95815
Tel: 916-922-8041
Fax: 916-922-0386
SPECIAL MEETING!
January 12, 2007
1:00 PM - 4:00 PM
The Fuel Tax Study: Estimating the State Fuel Tax Paid on Gasoline Used in the Off-Highway Operation of Vehicles for Recreation.
The OHMVR Division and its contractor will present a briefing to the OHMVR Commission.
Red Lion Hotel
1401 Arden Way
Sacramento, 95815
Tel: 916-922-8041
Fax: 916-922-0386
The Country is ran by the few that show up.
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
-
tomjeeps2
- 5th Gear "Pinned" Member
- Posts: 795
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Outer Rim Territory's, Wild Space
- Contact:
Below are outtakes from meeting minuets, this Welch guy is nuts but this
is only about 10% of what he said that your seeing. If you were at these meetings you would have to believe things were leaked to this guy, like I said we just said hands off and look what we got, what do you think...Tom
FEB 2, 2004
Tom Welch, Save Our Forest Organization, indicated he was pleased to see the Commission’s notices and agendas on the web site. He would also like to the Stakeholder’s schedule on the web site. He also asked about the status of the fuel tax survey. Chair Spitler informed him to call staff for information on the fuel tax survey. Mr. Welch stated he was glad to see that the San Bernardino NF was now closed to OHV usage due to the fires and hoped it would stay that way. He stated he has seen many OHV violations that now will be eliminated.
DEC, 2004
Tom Walsh, Save our Forest Association. Asked about the status on the OHV Fuel Tax Survey. He is interested in the results from the current one
considering the last one was done in 1990. He also requested the status of the establishment of the new SVRA in the Beaumont area.
is only about 10% of what he said that your seeing. If you were at these meetings you would have to believe things were leaked to this guy, like I said we just said hands off and look what we got, what do you think...Tom
FEB 2, 2004
Tom Welch, Save Our Forest Organization, indicated he was pleased to see the Commission’s notices and agendas on the web site. He would also like to the Stakeholder’s schedule on the web site. He also asked about the status of the fuel tax survey. Chair Spitler informed him to call staff for information on the fuel tax survey. Mr. Welch stated he was glad to see that the San Bernardino NF was now closed to OHV usage due to the fires and hoped it would stay that way. He stated he has seen many OHV violations that now will be eliminated.
DEC, 2004
Tom Walsh, Save our Forest Association. Asked about the status on the OHV Fuel Tax Survey. He is interested in the results from the current one
considering the last one was done in 1990. He also requested the status of the establishment of the new SVRA in the Beaumont area.
Last edited by tomjeeps2 on Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:17 pm, edited 2 times in total.
The Country is ran by the few that show up.
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
-
Brewster
- 3rd Gear Member
- Posts: 74
- Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:33 pm
- Please enter the middle number: 5
- Location: California
What things do you think were leaked to this guy? There was no information collected from the fuel survey to leak.....This was almost 3 years ago! MANY people had been waiting for a long time for results of the fuel tax survey.
Stakeholders meeting: At that time I hadn't even heard of the stakeholders. The meetings were not open to the public. I was able to attend two of them as a guest of one of the members. The last I heard is that they no longer meet.
Brewster
Stakeholders meeting: At that time I hadn't even heard of the stakeholders. The meetings were not open to the public. I was able to attend two of them as a guest of one of the members. The last I heard is that they no longer meet.
Brewster
-
tomjeeps2
- 5th Gear "Pinned" Member
- Posts: 795
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Outer Rim Territory's, Wild Space
- Contact:
That's the whole point brew, how did he know? and you where not there your only seeing the tip of the iceberg. If you heard tapes of these meeting you would really scratch your head, yes how did he know and how long ago...TJ
The Country is ran by the few that show up.
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
-
Brewster
- 3rd Gear Member
- Posts: 74
- Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:33 pm
- Please enter the middle number: 5
- Location: California
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the OHMVR Commission website:
FUEL TAX STUDY BRIEFING UPDATE
The Chair of the OHMVR Commission has requested the briefing on the Fuel Tax Study be rescheduled. The briefing will occur sometime during the upcoming OHMVR Commission meeting on January 25th, 26th & 27th.
Keep informed and active
Ride on
Brewster
CERA...assistant LAO
From the OHMVR Commission website:
FUEL TAX STUDY BRIEFING UPDATE
The Chair of the OHMVR Commission has requested the briefing on the Fuel Tax Study be rescheduled. The briefing will occur sometime during the upcoming OHMVR Commission meeting on January 25th, 26th & 27th.
Keep informed and active
Ride on
Brewster
CERA...assistant LAO
-
tomjeeps2
- 5th Gear "Pinned" Member
- Posts: 795
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Outer Rim Territory's, Wild Space
- Contact:
DEC, 2004
Tom Walsh, Save our Forest Association. Asked about the status on the OHV
Fuel Tax Survey. He is interested in the results from the current one
considering the last one was done in 1990. He also requested the status of the establishment of the new SVRA in the Beaumont area.
Hey check this out, I feared this and it’s true guess what all that fuel those motor homes Burn off highway, did not get counted due to the reason stated below. How much fuel do you think all those motor homes burn, driving off paved roads to get to your off road area? This may be grounds for a challenge…TJ
There is also a significant difference in Street Licensed Others between the DMV 2004 model inputs and actual counts. This is because the existing DMV model used for input to the existing tax transfer model classifies vehicles from 8,501 to 10,000 lbs gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) in the SL Other category, while Cenzer include those vehicles in the SUV, truck and van categories. Cenzer’s SL Other category include vehicles from 10,001 to 14,000 lbs which are mostly RVs. DMV counts of vehicles over 14,000 lbs are not included as they are too big to be used for recreational purposes. See further discussion in Section 5.
From Section 5
There are two additional differences in the definitions above between the ICF
International Study vehicle types and the 1990 Study. First, street-licensed dune buggies and Baja bugs were placed in the 2WD category in the 1990 Study. In the ICF International Study they are placed in the SL Other category. Also in the 1990 Study, Tyler included vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 8,501 to 10,000 lbs in the SL Other category, while ICF International included those vehicles in the SUV, Truck and Van categories. Vehicles between10,001 and 14,000 lbs GVWR were included in the SL Other category in the ICF International Study. Vehicles over 14,000 lbs GVWR are too heavy to be recreational vehicles and thus are not included in the vehicle counts.
Come on Brew, don't this at least make you wonder?...TJ
Last edited by tomjeeps2 on Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:18 pm, edited 2 times in total.
The Country is ran by the few that show up.
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
-
tomjeeps2
- 5th Gear "Pinned" Member
- Posts: 795
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Outer Rim Territory's, Wild Space
- Contact:
Division just took a bunch of stuff off Commission web page, I don't know why but here is the solution, just go back in time...JT
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ohv ... e_id=21853
http://www.quietbike.org/OHMVR/
Link disabled due to lack of interest
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ohv ... e_id=21853
http://www.quietbike.org/OHMVR/
Link disabled due to lack of interest
Last edited by tomjeeps2 on Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
The Country is ran by the few that show up.
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
-
tomjeeps2
- 5th Gear "Pinned" Member
- Posts: 795
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Outer Rim Territory's, Wild Space
- Contact:
Folks I can't do this alone, I'm no longer going to post OHMVR archive files on my web page, if you want them it's going to be up to you to get it from Division. I can't operate as the only lone voice out there, all I can say is contact Division if your want a transparent and defensible program...TJ
http://ohv.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=1140
OHMVR Division Headquarters
TEL: (916) 324-4442
FAX: (916) 324-1610
Physical Address:
1725 23rd Street, Suite 200
Sacramento CA 95816
Mailing Address:
PO Box 942896
Sacramento CA 94296-0001
E-Mail: ohvinfo@parks.ca.gov
http://ohv.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=1140
OHMVR Division Headquarters
TEL: (916) 324-4442
FAX: (916) 324-1610
Physical Address:
1725 23rd Street, Suite 200
Sacramento CA 95816
Mailing Address:
PO Box 942896
Sacramento CA 94296-0001
E-Mail: ohvinfo@parks.ca.gov
The Country is ran by the few that show up.
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
-
tomjeeps2
- 5th Gear "Pinned" Member
- Posts: 795
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm
- antispam: NO
- Please enter the middle number: 7
- Location: Outer Rim Territory's, Wild Space
- Contact:
Any one that got a Fuel use tax survey in the mail or a phone call, please email me an account of your experience and if you thought the process, did it captured all your fuel usage off paved roads for the propose of motorized Off Road recreation. Please respond direct email and keep it clean, all comments will be forwarded to the OHMVR Division and
the Governors office.
Tom Tammone fueltax@quietbike.org
Hi all just one minor clarification, I will only include and forward comments sent to the one mail box I set up just for that purpose, as advised by OHMVR Division Staff two years ago. I am not going to get into documenting every email to every BBS, group or screen name in existence, again your free to do as you wish an an American, but as far as my efforts please respond via direct email below I, insist on a singel point of contact:
fueltax@quietbike.org All comments may be made Public.
Public email address I encourage you to use on your own:
governor@governor.ca.gov Governor
ohvinfo@parks.ca.gov Off Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation
the Governors office.
Tom Tammone fueltax@quietbike.org
Hi all just one minor clarification, I will only include and forward comments sent to the one mail box I set up just for that purpose, as advised by OHMVR Division Staff two years ago. I am not going to get into documenting every email to every BBS, group or screen name in existence, again your free to do as you wish an an American, but as far as my efforts please respond via direct email below I, insist on a singel point of contact:
fueltax@quietbike.org All comments may be made Public.
Public email address I encourage you to use on your own:
governor@governor.ca.gov Governor
ohvinfo@parks.ca.gov Off Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation
The Country is ran by the few that show up.
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone
They are lead by the even fewer that step up.
http://WWW.TEAMSTEALTH.ORG Noise issue information.
http://WWW.OHMVR.COM Total Off Road Recreation!
Tom Tammone